Trialogues at the Edge of the Millennium - Entities
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Wednesday, 16 April 2008
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Podcast 069 - “Entities” (Part 1)
Guest speakers: Terence McKenna, Ralph Abraham, and Rupert Sheldrake
PROGRAM NOTES (Minutes : Seconds into program)
02:24 Terence McKenna: "When you start looking at the question of
these disincarnate entities, the first thing that strikes you is their
persistence in human experience and folklore. This is not something
unusual or statistically rare."
07:57 Terence:
"The eradication of spirit from the visible world has been a project
prosecuted with great zeal concomitant with the rise of modern
science."
10:01 Terence:
"If we examine the history of early modern science, we discover that
some of the major movers and shakers were in fact being guided and
directed in the formulation of early science by disincarnate entities."
12:59 Terence:
"The aversion to the irrational is something that science inherited from Christianity."
17:59 Ralph Abraham: "I think it was in 879 in the council of Byzantium
that spirit was made illegal, and then we went from three to two, so
there’s only body and soul . . . and this is, I think, the reason why
no one knows the difference between spirit and soul and thinks that
they’re the same."
21:01 Terence:
"Did you know that the dogma of purgatory, in Christian theology, was
not created by theologians in Rome. It was created by Saint Patrick in
an effort to make Christian doctrine more commiserate with Celtic folk
beliefs in the process of converting Ireland to Christianity?"
22:12 Terence:
"The major tool for contacting these entities in any kind of
controllable fashion is psychedelic compounds, especially DMT and the
tryptamines. And those sort of experiences seem to line up pretty well
with the Celtic fokelore."
27:37 Terence:
"The irrational, in this objectified form, is very active in the
process that we call history. It’s just that we don’t like to admit
that because we’re committed to an official philosophy of reason and
casuistry."
33:57 Rupert Sheldrake: "The realm of our dreams is a personal nightly journeying into these realms of other entities."
Podcast 070 - “Entities” (Part 2)
Guest speakers: Terence McKenna, Ralph Abraham, and Rupert Sheldrake
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PROGRAM NOTES (Minutes : Seconds into program)
05:40 Terence McKenna: "Going back to this thing about language,
you get this same peculiar emphasis on language and letters in the esoteric doctrine that surrounds the chakras."
06:57 Terence:
"Linearity in print conferred upon language an inability to deal with
the invisible world in any meaningful way, and so it just became
pathology, but now it’s returning, and people such as ourselves who
have one foot in each world have a real obligation to cognize this and
move it forward."
09:55 Ralph Abraham: "There is very little discussion of the intelligent
science, mythology, and so on of these 100-, 200-, 300-thousand B.C.,
what is going on during these previous interglacials, and it could be
that there was agriculture. There would be no way to rule that out."
15:30 Rupert Sheldrake: "If that’s possible [communicating with a star
entity], what kind of information would such beings impart?"
17:27 Ralph:
"Myth is from mythos. Mythos meant the lyrics, the words of the song
from the rituals. Myth gained the power it now has in our conscious and
unconscious life through its secondary role in the ritual. The ritual
and the myth together, I think, is one of the most important things for
us to regain."
19:11 Ralph:
"Peace [in Crete], I think, was not produced by just a partnership
paradigm in a lucky society to have escaped the bad habits of the
dominator paradigm. There was also the conscious interaction with the
peaceful initiative of the celestial sphere in bringing peace down."
22:12 Terence:
"I think when you go to the edges . . . then you discover there is an
extremely rich flora and fauna in the imagination that has simply been
ignored because our tendency has always been to look inward, to build
inward, and to turn our backs on the raging ocean of phenomenon around
us that entirely overwhelms our metaphors."
25:02 Rupert:
"The spirit of Satan is the spirit of self-sufficiency, of being in
charge, and the spirit of denial of the whole other realm. . . . So the
guiding spirit of modern science, according to the Faust myth, is a
demon. It’s in fact a Satanic demon, a fallen angel, Mephistopheles. .
. . How seriously does one need to take the idea that our whole society
and civilization may be under the possession of such a spirit, worship
through money?"
28:34 Rupert:
"If we take seriously these entities, how much can we admit the
possibility that there are these malevolent entities, like Mammon or
Satanic powers or fallen angles, which are actually guiding and
perverting the progress of science and technology?"
30:50 Terence:
"Probably the process of civilization is going to reveal the final status of this shadow within us."
36:12 Ralph:
"I think we need the Gaian, and we need the Chaotic, that is the
celestial sphere, to be re-connected, to be coupled, to the human
spirit . . . that is the ultimate partnership."