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Trialogues at the Edge of the Millennium - Entities PDF Print E-mail
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Wednesday, 16 April 2008

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Podcast 069 - “Entities” (Part 1)
Guest speakers: Terence McKenna, Ralph Abraham, and Rupert Sheldrake




PROGRAM NOTES (Minutes : Seconds into program)

02:24 Terence McKenna: "When you start looking at the question of
these disincarnate entities, the first thing that strikes you is their persistence in human experience and folklore. This is not something unusual or statistically rare."

07:57 Terence:
"The eradication of spirit from the visible world has been a project prosecuted with great zeal concomitant with the rise of modern science."

10:01 Terence:
"If we examine the history of early modern science, we discover that some of the major movers and shakers were in fact being guided and directed in the formulation of early science by disincarnate entities."

12:59 Terence:
"The aversion to the irrational is something that science inherited from Christianity."

17:59 Ralph Abraham: "I think it was in 879 in the council of Byzantium
that spirit was made illegal, and then we went from three to two, so there’s only body and soul . . . and this is, I think, the reason why no one knows the difference between spirit and soul and thinks that they’re the same."

21:01 Terence:
"Did you know that the dogma of purgatory, in Christian theology, was not created by theologians in Rome. It was created by Saint Patrick in an effort to make Christian doctrine more commiserate with Celtic folk beliefs in the process of converting Ireland to Christianity?"

22:12 Terence:
"The major tool for contacting these entities in any kind of controllable fashion is psychedelic compounds, especially DMT and the tryptamines. And those sort of experiences seem to line up pretty well with the Celtic fokelore."

27:37 Terence:
"The irrational, in this objectified form, is very active in the process that we call history. It’s just that we don’t like to admit that because we’re committed to an official philosophy of reason and casuistry."

33:57 Rupert Sheldrake: "The realm of our dreams is a personal nightly journeying into these realms of other entities."


Podcast 070 - “Entities” (Part 2)
Guest speakers: Terence McKenna, Ralph Abraham, and Rupert Sheldrake

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PROGRAM NOTES (Minutes : Seconds into program)

05:40 Terence McKenna: "Going back to this thing about language,
you get this same peculiar emphasis on language and letters in the esoteric doctrine that surrounds the chakras."

06:57 Terence:
"Linearity in print conferred upon language an inability to deal with the invisible world in any meaningful way, and so it just became pathology, but now it’s returning, and people such as ourselves who have one foot in each world have a real obligation to cognize this and move it forward."

09:55 Ralph Abraham: "There is very little discussion of the intelligent
science, mythology, and so on of these 100-, 200-, 300-thousand B.C., what is going on during these previous interglacials, and it could be that there was agriculture. There would be no way to rule that out."

15:30 Rupert Sheldrake: "If that’s possible [communicating with a star entity], what kind of information would such beings impart?"

17:27 Ralph:
"Myth is from mythos. Mythos meant the lyrics, the words of the song from the rituals. Myth gained the power it now has in our conscious and unconscious life through its secondary role in the ritual. The ritual and the myth together, I think, is one of the most important things for us to regain."

19:11 Ralph:
"Peace [in Crete], I think, was not produced by just a partnership paradigm in a lucky society to have escaped the bad habits of the dominator paradigm. There was also the conscious interaction with the peaceful initiative of the celestial sphere in bringing peace down."

22:12 Terence:
"I think when you go to the edges . . . then you discover there is an extremely rich flora and fauna in the imagination that has simply been ignored because our tendency has always been to look inward, to build inward, and to turn our backs on the raging ocean of phenomenon around us that entirely overwhelms our metaphors."

25:02 Rupert:
"The spirit of Satan is the spirit of self-sufficiency, of being in charge, and the spirit of denial of the whole other realm. . . . So the guiding spirit of modern science, according to the Faust myth, is a demon. It’s in fact a Satanic demon, a fallen angel, Mephistopheles. . . . How seriously does one need to take the idea that our whole society and civilization may be under the possession of such a spirit, worship through money?"

28:34 Rupert:
"If we take seriously these entities, how much can we admit the possibility that there are these malevolent entities, like Mammon or Satanic powers or fallen angles, which are actually guiding and perverting the progress of science and technology?"

30:50 Terence:
"Probably the process of civilization is going to reveal the final status of this shadow within us."

36:12 Ralph:
"I think we need the Gaian, and we need the Chaotic, that is the celestial sphere, to be re-connected, to be coupled, to the human spirit . . . that is the ultimate partnership." 

 

 
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