at Sunday, 08 March 2009 22:25by Jessica England
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This affliction results in both new and experienced researchers permenently playing it safe by hedging their comments towards the over-rational reality or outcome - their logic being that it is better to ultimately fade into the background when a risky case ultimately receives a positive consensus than suffer the 'humiliation' of having staked their reputation and suffered a perceived 'loss'.
In a follow-up to this editorial on UN Global Disclosure, we'll examine why we need to urgently expand the discussion of this area into more formal cultural structures and systems. Initial article | Initial commentary | Confirming Initial Research | Latest article follows.
Kevin Smith Radio Show - Clay and Shawn Pickering on UN Meetings and General Disclosure Approx 2 hrs - Skip the interim music if not to taste! The SOM Army manual on UFO and EBE recovery referred to in the podcast can be downloaded in our document archive.
Secret United Nations Meetings on Extraterrestrial Life Continue: Threats Used to Prevent Diplomatic Leaks On October 8, 2008, I met with the original source that disclosed that a secret meeting had been held at the United Nations headquarters in New York City on February 12 to discus UFOs and extraterrestrial life. The original source, Source A, discussed the most recent developments concerning secret meetings conducted under UN auspices to discuss UFOs and extraterrestrial life. The October 8 meeting was attended by Source A, Clay and Shawn Pickering (who kindly set up the meeting) and Bob Vanderclock. I spent a total of 4.5 hours discussing the UN meetings and related issues with Source A, and others present. Source A was dressed in full US Navy uniform with identifying insignia including name and rank. He showed me his military I.D. which confirmed his name, rank and pay scale. His I.D. card was valid for a three year period and had a vertical barcode on the left hand side next to his photo. He subsequently showed me an album filled with photos, military patches and cards that represented his various assignments and awards since first joining the US Navy in the 1960s. He explained each of the pages inside of his album to all present. The material he showed conclusively proved that he was an electronics warfare specialist with the US Navy. With all the documentation presented and his full dress Navy uniform, it was clear that he is a serving US Navy officer willing to discuss sensitive information concerning UFOs and extraterrestrial life. From his careful and precise choice of language, clarity of expression, demeanor, eye-contact and other non-verbal cues, Source A appeared very personable and sincere in the information he was disclosing. Source A said that as far as his military superiors in the normal chain of command are concerned, they are aware of his role in leaking sensitive information. They have a tacit policy of not wanting to know what he is doing, and are not taking action to prevent him disclosing the sensitive information. It was understood that getting national media exposure would force the Navy to take disciplinary action. That is one of the main reasons why the identity of Source A has not been publicly released. He has however agreed to be physically interviewed and shown his credentials to the following researchers: Clay and Shawn Pickering, Bob Vanderclock, Robert Morningstar, Dr Bruce Maccabee, two other unnamed researchers, and most recently myself on October 8. During the meeting, Source A disclosed that he continues to work under the direction of a US Navy admiral who is in command of the controlled leak of the meetings occurring under UN auspices. This admiral was unnamed and is not part of the official chain of military command for Source A, but is his superior in covert operations that have need-to-know security status. Thus it's important to emphasize that Source A's disclosures are not part of official US Navy policy, but is orchestrated by a covert operations group comprising senior Navy officials (admirals) and others. In this article, I will discuss three aspects of what Source A revealed concerning the UN meetings at our October 8 meeting: continued meetings under UN auspices; physical threats to prevent diplomatic disclosure of the UN meetings; and role of international corporations.
Further UN Meetings Four additional meetings were held in Upstate New York. Upstate NY was chosen in order to have a more secure environment to that available at the UN due to the sensitive nature of the material discussed. Upstate NY also provided a more conducive environment for reaching consensus on issues that proved to be contentious at the original February 12 meeting. According to Source A, the February 12 meeting was a diplomatic fiasco. There were too many senior diplomatic officials involved and discussions quickly became politicized. The US Navy admiral in charge of Source A's controlled leak of information on the UN meetings, along with other senior diplomatic officials at the ambassadorial rank and senior military officials attended the February 12 meeting. The admiral continues to be in charge of the US delegation to all subsequent meetings emerging from the first UN meeting. Source A says he travelled to Europe after the February 12 meeting to find the right military people for the forthcoming meetings to be held at Upstate NY. He went to every country in Europe in order to find out who was hostile and who was ambivalent concerning disclosure of extraterrestrial life. It was decided that no further meetings were required at the UN since key players were known, and they could be invited to Upstate NY for additional meetings. All invited to the Upstate NY meetings were military liaisons of UN member states. These involved middle ranking officers since consensus was more likely to occur without senior diplomats who had the tendency to politicize discussions. It was decided that having middle ranking military liaisons would help keep a low profile on the difficult negotiations required for a coordinated international response to extraterrestrial life. All military liaison personnel at the Upstate NY meetings would brief senior officials in their respective diplomatic corps at the UN. Source A said that that various nations were either in favor or opposed to a coordinated international disclosure effort. Source A emphasized that the US Navy has always been pro-disclosure and due to its leading role in policy issues concerning extraterrestrial life and the UN meetings, made the US pro-disclosure. The French along with Britain was also in favor of disclosure. Britain, however, asked that the US should lead the effort. Germany, Saudi Arabia and Islamic countries more generally were hostile to disclosure. Source A said India was "impossible to deal with". Military liaison(s) from China attended all the Upstate NY meetings (though not the original February 12 meeting) and said that the US should "pay for disclosure". According to Source A this was a considerable point of contention. The subsequent meetings at Upstate NY were chaired by different countries. Source A was the highest ranking US officer at the first three post-February 12 meetings held at Upstate NY until he was replaced for the last two which were held respectively in Upstate NY and an undisclosed location in Europe. The second UN UFO/ET meeting (the first held at Upstate NY) was held from March 24-26 and was chaired by the military liaison from Britain. Source A revealed that this was very productive in terms of consensus, goals and vision. A table of contents concerning key issues to be discussed was produced which presumably would help guide future discussions. This meeting lasted the full three days that were scheduled. China was present at the 2nd and subsequent meetings at Upstate NY and Europe. The third UN UFO/ET meeting (second at Upstate NY) was chaired by the senior military liaison from France. According to Source A, this meeting was a disaster. This meeting ran from May 19-21 and focused on economic issues that was revealed in an earlier communication released by Clay and Sean Pickering. This meeting lasted three days. The fourth UN UFO/ET meeting was chaired by the senior US military liaison which was Source A. An attempt was made to find neutral territory, but was unsuccessful. This meeting again, according to Source A, was a disaster. It lasted only one day from the three scheduled. The meeting occurred just prior to Source A leaving for another covert assignment at the end of May 2008. Source A emphasized that the US Navy (and Marines) has always been focused on overall policy issues concerning extraterrestrials, while the USAF handled contact with extraterrestrial life. The US Army, Department of Energy and Department of Homeland Security have been responsible for security and bases. This is corroborated by reports that extraterrestrials had in the past showed up USAF bases to deal with representatives of the Eisenhower administration. Also, whistleblower reports confirm that Army forces have been involved with enforcing security at bases involving extraterrestrial related projects. Source A said that USAF has handed off to the US Navy responsibility for a specific contact project involving the extraterrestrials discussed in the February 12 meeting. That means that US Navy has begun to play a role in both setting policy and contact with at least one form of extraterrestrial life. The fifth UN UFO/ET meeting was attended by the replacement of Source A whose identity has not been revealed. This meeting was again held in Upstate NY. According to the US Navy admiral in overall charge of the US delegation (led by Source A's replacement) the meeting was cordial. The sixth meeting was held outside of the US (in Europe) for security reasons. According to the admiral, those involved in the European meeting were "doing good work" Source A emphasized that the military liaisons at this series of UN inspired meetings were trying to get agreement on how to nations ought to respond to the prospect of extraterrestrial vehicles appearing over countries. It's worth pointing out that this is the same scenario that was debated in the Japanese parliament in December 2007. It led to the Japanese Minister of Defense making a statement concerning how the Japanese self defense force might respond to such a scenario. Source A said further that the admiral in charge of the covert disclosure process revealed the talking points for the last two meetings held without Source A's attendance. These included the following:
According to Source A, point six was the most difficult issue in the discussions.
Threats to UN Diplomatic Community Source A mentioned that one of the reasons that the UN had been chosen was that the diplomatic community is very good at leaking information. This was an important consideration in the controlled leakage initiated by the admiral and other senior Navy officials "to gauge the responses." In particular, they wanted to see the public response to the UN disclosures, and also the media response. The choice of UN ambassadors to receive the information was a strategic choice to help move forward the disclosure process. All ambassadors were fully briefed by their military liaisons on what transpired at the Upstate NY and European meetings. The Ambassadors were therefore an important part of the controlled leak and the covert Navy group is very interested in any threats made against them that impacts on the disclosure process. Source A said that the world is hostile to extraterrestrial disclosure, that's what the US Navy's covert group is finding out. They are trying to find out where the hostility is coming from and whether it can be neutralized and reduced. Source A confirmed the independent reports that UN diplomats were being threatened not to reveal to the public anything about the secret UN meetings discussing extraterrestrial life. Source A got his confirmation from unauthorized sources that he pointed out were more accurate than authorized sources. Unauthorized sources involved covert intelligence operations, and that Source A's counterparts from the British M.O.D. were involved. The covert Navy group behind the UN disclosures is trying to track down the source of the threats to the UN diplomats. So far these have been traced to international corporations.
The Role of International
Corporations I pointed out that Admiral Wilson was apparently denied access by the attorneys of a corporation. Source A said that many defense projects are subcontracted out to corporations. While DARPA may have started as the lead agency, they then subcontracted out to US and international contractors, e.g., SAIC, Lockheed, BAE, Airbus, EADS, etc. He pointed out that Corporations are much better at keeping secrets than the military. Small companies often chosen to do black projects, e.g., 300 employees. They can more easily enforce discipline to keep the projects secret. The US Defense Industry is filled with projects given to corporations. From our discussion, it was clear that there was much concern over the prominent role played by corporations in controlling information and access to extraterrestrial related projects.
Conclusion My impression of Source A is that he is sincere in his disclosures and genuinely involved in an effort by a covert group comprising senior US Navy officers to disclose information concerning extraterrestrial life. His willingness to have independent confirmation of his credentials and to be interviewed by different researchers does give confidence in his disclosures. While this is no guarantee that his disclosures are accurate, it does help inspire confidence that he is part of overall disclosure process sanctioned by senior Navy officials involved in covert operations. There appears to be genuine concern over the way in which covert projects involving extraterrestrial related information is being run and the role played by corporations in controlling this. The extent to which the US Navy and other military forces have been sidelined in the internationalization and corporatization of extraterrestrial related projects is a major cause for concern. This is especially important insofar as threats to the diplomatic community to remain silent about the UN UFO/ET meetings have been traced to corporations. It does appear that an important convergence of interests has led to senior US Navy officials in covert operations embarking on a controlled leak of information to the UFO/exopolitics community. This is a promising development given the nature of the privatized control system that has emerged to manage extraterrestrial related information. The lack of oversight and transparency of such a control system is not only a major cause of concern for the general public, but also for senior military officials who take seriously their oath to uphold and protect the US Constitution.
[Note: I wish to thank Clay and Shawn Pickering and Source
A for their help in clarifying issues raised in this paper. For those wishing
to ask questions or discuss the above issues, please visit the Open Mind Forum,
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Michael
E. Salla, Ph.D
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at Sunday, 08 March 2009 22:25by Jessica England So do we know who was meant to be representing the UK at these meetings? Were there any lists of those present released?
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at Tuesday, 17 February 2009 21:56by davID 25/02/2008 ROBERT MORNINGSTAR and VINCE WHITE publish a response to criticisms of the case and other details concerning the 18/02/2008 meeting with SOURCE A. In it he states that SOURCE A chaired the meeting.
25/02/2008 JEAN-JACQUES YVARS publishes an account of the meeting from GILLES LORANT 02/03/2008 MICHEL RIBARDIERE replies to an email from GIULIANO MARINKOVIC in which he states that GILLES LORANT informed him that DOMINIQUE STRAUSS-KHAN was represented at the meeting, and that the follow-on meetings were prompted by the request of THREE UNKNOWN US SENATORS. 04/03/2008 “NEMO492” conducts an interview with GILLES LORANT, where he identifies JOHN SAWERS, CELESTINO MIGLIORE, SRGJAM KERIM as being present at the meeting. LORANT identifies KERIM as the meeting chair. 05/03/2008 ROBERT MORNINGSTAR replies to an email from ED KOMAREK, and asserts that the meeting 12/02/2008 was chaired by the UNITED STATES - 6"Current Timeline #1"
at Tuesday, 17 February 2009 21:55by davID START:
11/02/2008 SHAWN PICKERING, CLAY PICKERING meet with SOURCE A. SOURCE A discloses the forthcoming meeting of 12/02/2008 at the UNITED NATIONS, NEW YORK 12/02/2008 SHAWN PICKERING, CLAY PICKERING send a message to MICHAEL SALLA concerning the meeting with SOURCE A. 13/02/2008 MICHAEL SALLA publishes an account of the meeting on 12/02/2008 based on the message received 12/02/2008 13/02/2008 GILLES LORANT is invited to attend as a listener to a follow-on meeting at the UNITED NATIONS, NEW YORK 14/02/2008 GILLES LORANT attends a subsequent day at the follow-on meeting. 14/02/2008 DOMINIQUE STRAUSS-KHAN is photographed in Beijing China, by China Daily, on an IMF visit 18/02/2008 SHAWN PICKERING, CLAY PICKERING, and ROBERT MORNINGSTAR meet with SOURCE A. SOURCE A discloses the outcomes of the meeting of 12/02/2008. 20/02/2008 SHAWN PICKERING, CLAY PICKERING send a message to MICHAEL SALLA concerning the results of the 18/02/2008 meeting with SOURCE A. 5"enjoyed this"
at Monday, 01 December 2008 17:52by Janet from London Really good article if indeed this is true.... ?? It would not surprise me if this sort of thing is high on government agendas world wide.
I'm going to listen to the audio this evening. Will post any comments i have. Thanks for a great and informative website in the days when the internet is a glorified shopping mall. Janet, London [Finsbury Pk] 4Comment
at Friday, 24 October 2008 12:31by davID George
You need to split anything longer than 800 words [which is less then you have there i think] into another form. If you have a letter for Michael Salla - email it me and I will forward it. Or you can email him yourself. This is not his site - he is behind Exopolitics.org cheers, davID, UK 3"UN meetings"
at Thursday, 23 October 2008 00:20by George LoBuono Open letter to Michael Salla re latest on UN meetings:
Dear Michael, Like you I find the UN meeting reports and Source A's account interesting. Although you find that the reports still need independent confirmation, if we look at the reports from an If-then perspective we see some patterns consistent with earlier, unrelated reports. For example, the Navy's leading role in sorting out information for the public is something we've seen previously. I wonder whether a distinction is made within the Navy between Navy intel and the higher admiralty. The use of middle-rank officers is a good way to pose a measure of deniability. The hostility of Saudi Arabia and some other Islamic countries to disclosure would be expected. Disclosure would remove a layer of elite management of religious phenomena that puts off public perception of Saud family fraud. In some other Islamic nations, disclosure would stimulate independent critical thinking, on the one hand, while also posing the 2"Jessica England"
at Friday, 20 February 2009 03:21by Jessica England Really interesting given that I missed this first time around.
I need to do a bit of bacground research as I've found some of this hard to keep up with but either way I am looking forward to any further comments on this important issue. 1"Misc"
at Wednesday, 15 October 2008 21:16by Mark@Nexus I'd be interested to know just which countries got the invite to this meeting. For instance India is a nuclear power - I don't know if it is also a G8 member but were all UN represented nations there ?? If so it would be huge - otherwise they may have just had the usual, dominant players.
Anyone know pls post a list. Cheers, Mark » Post Comment Exopolitics UK site guests need to enter the anti-spam code.
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